Devil in the lake of fire ?

[Ralph Wilms]

Question, the Devil is alive and STILL trying to deceive the world, but how must we understand Rev. 20, were satan and the demons are throw into the lake of fire ?
From the preterist view we believe that Revelation has been fulfilled, so what about Rev 20 ?
Or is satan not condemned and will not be condemned as being punished in the eternal hell?
Any thoughts and help would be appreciated.

[Jean-Pierre]

Satan was thrown in the lake of ire in AD70.

Apo 20:10 YLT and the Devil, who is leading them astray#1, was #2cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where are the beast and the false prophet, and they shall be tormented day and night--to the ages of the ages.

#1 was still busy between AD30 and AD70
#2 was finally crushed when the OC Law was dealt with in the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD70.

[Michael Bennett]

Satan is bound at the start of teh 1000 years
Satan is bound in the gospels

Satan is thrown into lake at the GWT Judgement ends 1000 years.
Romans said satan would be crushed shortly and there are time texts for the GWT judgment too.

[davo]

As I understand it… Satan only had traction relevant to covenant Israel, and that who or whatever "satan" was understood to be, such came to nought in Israel's "lake of fire" i.e., the AD70 'destruction of Jerusalem'.

Thus it would be prêteristically inconsistent to attribute "evil" and the like to Satan post Parousia. However, there are some "prêterists" of sorts that actually claim Satan was only ever removed for Christians, and so ever present to afflict all else… this is rather dubious IMO; but then again some also say Christ's atonement was only for Christians too…

But either way, logic dictates that Satan has indeed been removed completely – otherwise there is a conflict as logic would indicate that "believers" post Parousia must STILL be able to be handed over to him…

1Tim 1:20 …of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1Cor 5:5 …deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Satan's effectual workings were limited totally to and by the redemptive purposes of God; purposes that HAVE as I understand it been fulfilled and realised.

[Ralph Wilms]

Dear brethren, thank you for all the replies,
Do i understand it rightly, that satan and his demons are now in hell ?
Because if the lake of fire only means that they can't deceive the nations anymore, than satan has still a kind of freedom, and he is only limited in his influences, without being fully punished in hell and so without the full eternal wrath of God ?

[Ralph Wilms]

Michael Bennett said:

Satan is bound at the start of teh 1000 years
Satan is bound in the gospels

Satan is thrown into lake at the GWT Judgement ends 1000 years.
Romans said satan would be crushed shortly and there are time texts for the GWT judgment too.

But what does crushed means ? Only limited in his influences in deceiving the nations or does it means a completed out of existence in this world and being in the eternal fire/hell were he is punished for eternally ?

[Jean-Pierre]

Finished, it's over. He's frying forever.


Ralph Wilms said:

Michael Bennett said:

Satan is bound at the start of teh 1000 years
Satan is bound in the gospels

Satan is thrown into lake at the GWT Judgement ends 1000 years.
Romans said satan would be crushed shortly and there are time texts for the GWT judgment too.

But what does crushed means ? Only limited in his influences in deceiving the nations or does it means a completed out of existence in this world and being in the eternal fire/hell were he is punished for eternally ?

[davo]

G'day Ralph… as I understand it, IF Satan and other demons were fallen angels i.e., spirit being, then the last we hear of them is 'the lake of fire' – which in my understanding had and has no continuity past its AD70 role in the ending of the old covenant world. Certainly redemption was only ever an issue relative to none other than men… [Heb 2:16].

[Ralph Wilms]

Dear Michael,

So does demon possesion not existed anymore in our age ?

Jean-Pierre said:

Finished, it's over. He's frying forever.


Ralph Wilms said:

Michael Bennett said:

Satan is bound at the start of teh 1000 years
Satan is bound in the gospels

Satan is thrown into lake at the GWT Judgement ends 1000 years.
Romans said satan would be crushed shortly and there are time texts for the GWT judgment too.

But what does crushed means ? Only limited in his influences in deceiving the nations or does it means a completed out of existence in this world and being in the eternal fire/hell were he is punished for eternally ?

[Mellontes]

Is there not an obvious contradiction here in the following?

1. Revelation is fulfilled.
2. Lake of fire still exists.

[Ron]

Hi Ralph,

I noted this former thread in Addie's blog. This subject has been addressed from time to time, and it is a good one. If you like, you can read through the former blog I had started. There's a lot of contribution to it, so take your time as you go through it.

Lake of Fire What is, or was it?

It is far from a conclusion and complete consenses among Preterists.

A main question is: Since the Second the Death is the Lake of Fire, does the Second the Death continue throughout the Age to Come in which we are living? If it does or does not remain, what does this mean for non-believers after they die?

My earlier attempt was to locate the Lake of Fire in the Old Testament. You can read the former thread for efforts in this area.

Thanks for your posting the subject. Good luck with your research!

Ron

[Michael Bennett]

Jean-Pierre crushed ie deep-sixed - as Dr. B. puts it. No more. In the lake. No power (other than people who may think they worship some special power - but are fooling themselves) just as Hitler still has influence though he is dead.

[Joseph Vincent]

Exactly Michael. Just as the evil influence of men like Hitler still have influence (such as radical white supremicist nazis today)...Hitler himself and his cohorts are long dead and gone. The fact that these people today attribute their activity to Hitler dominion and ideologies, does not make Hitler a living being today. Likewise, the power and reign of satan (the adversary) has long been defeated, however, there are still people who are influenced by the power and works once performed by this evil entity. Just as Dr. Birks stated, people give satan far too much credit, since nothing evil today comes directly from or by his authority or works. Satanists today are very much satanic...but nothing they do or believe or say actually comes from satan or any demonic authority or power.