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And I commented because it (the formerly dead appearing to many) was coupled with a passage that had to do with a spiritual not physical resurrection.
actually I commented in that tone because THIS SPECIFIC resurrection is NEVER discussed and always overlooked in the religious orgs.....I think I know why they overlook this; to keep people in the dark ....but that is another topic for another day..…
Listen Joseph, I have no interest in getting into a translation war. I made the same comment you made and somebody countered as I have done with you. Reading the NIV, I always wondered why the bodies would have been raised upon Jesus' death. That ma…
Joseph, if you are comparing the physical resurrections of Lazarus and the locals entombed near Jesus' tomb, to the spiritual resurrection of the just and the unjust on the last day, then your facetiousness is duly noted. My insertion of resurrectio…
A resurrection of Sorts? Your ordinary , everyday ..., resurrection, you know , no biggee....it's kinda boring, really..(.yawn...)
Chuck the NIV Study Bible puts it this way...And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. AT THAT MOMENT, the curtain was torn in two from top to bottom . The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and th…
Joe, while it's true that there was a resurrection of sorts (where formerly dead bodies walked the nearby city streets) at the time of Jesus' resurrection (not His death), this does not appear to satisfy the resurrection of the just and the unjust r…
Ron a resurrection occurs in Matthew 27:50-54 at the time Jesus drew his last breathe on the cross.
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- A Little Bit About Me:
- I have been a believer for the past 12 years now, saved by grace in a small Baptist church back in '97 in Lynchburg, VA. Through the first 5-6 years I learned basic the doctrines of the faith (with a dispensational bent), but never really had a passion for the Truth. My family and I began attending a couple non-denom churches, then got sucked up into the seeker-sensitive movement for about 6 years. Through the grace of God, He began to really open our eyes about 3 years ago to the sheer error of that man-centered movement, its delusion of the gospel, and it's starving believers of the Word. I personally became totally apathetic to the Scriptures and began to love reading "theological" books such as Eldredge's "Wild at Heart" and others that really appealed to "me" rather than driving me to the real Truth.
Through a leaving of this church and system altogether, some friends of ours and my family have begun to attend a local Baptist church that preaches the Word, rests upon the cross and shed blood of Christ, believes in the innerancy of Scripture, and desires to come to a full understanding of the Truth. It was about that time a couple years ago that I began to feed my obsession with prophecy. Digging around the Internet for who the Antichrist was, when the Rapture would happen, what 666 meant... what the Mark of the Beast was... I was fully and totally dispensational in my eschatology, even though I didn't even know what eschatology or dispensational meant. Goes to show how it's just so easy to believe what we have been taught rather than being discerning and testing against the Scriptures.
About a little over a year ago in this desperate search to understand the Truth of the gospel, eschatology, and the like - since we were really starved of this from our previous church for the sake of man-centered, topical "messages" - God began to draw me to Himself in a way I could never have imagined. God gave me a strong passion to test everything, since I felt like I had just naively "accepted" anything I'd been taught, as truth. I realized that if I was ever going to really understand the Truth, then I would need to test what I read, what I hear and what I'd been taught against the Scriptures like a Berean.
This desire carried over into my study of the gospel and eschatology. I realized I needed to really test all that I'd ever believed. Over time, I began to see vast differences in eschatological beliefs amongst groups and denominations - within the body of Christ. This troubled me, and I even began to witness strong arguments made Biblically against dispensational doctrines, especially eschatology. I researched disp premil, postmil, amil, and even probably landed in the historicist camp for a couple months... But I could never really grasp or reconcile what the Scriptures were really teaching to any of those systems of thought. About the time I was ready to succumb to being a "pan-millenialist" I remember that God opened my eyes to a particular passage of Scripture - of which became my prayer and call to God for understanding...
Proverbs 1:20 - 2:5:
20 Wisdom crieth without; she uttereth her voice in the streets:
21 She crieth in the chief place of concourse, in the openings of the gates: in the city she uttereth her words, saying,
22 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
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1 My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
2 So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
This literally became my prayer to God to really understand what the Bible taught. About this time God opened my eyes to fulfilled eschatology. I began to see and entertain the possibility that Christ actually DID fulfill what He and all of the other NT writers promised. And probably the most amazing thing of all happened - the OT scriptures came literally ALIVE like I'd never imagined. Since then I can't tell you how many times my jaw has dropped seeing the connections between OT and NT. I can't escape it - and I pray often for clarity that God would give me eyes to see and ears to hear and a heart to understand, but the Scriptures as a whole just "make sense" more as I see them fulfilled in Jesus Christ. I realize that I have so much more to learn, and there's been much "relearning" doctrines that I'd formerly just taken for granted as the truth. Through God's grace I pray that He will continue to reveal His Word to me and enable me to share His wonderful truth with others...
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- At 10:23am on July 23, 2009,
Chuck said…
- Nate, your website seems to be redirecting...but I would presume you already know that.
- At 1:00pm on June 27, 2008,
Nate said… - So true Chuck! Thank you and David for the welcome. Glad to be part of this group!
- At 12:08pm on June 27, 2008,
Chuck said…
- Thanks for the affirming words, Nate. It's truly amazing (although I guess it shouldn't be) how if we open our minds, God will fill them with truth. Glad you've joined us. Blessings, Chuck
- At 11:51am on June 27, 2008,
David B. Curtis said… - Welcome Nate, thanks for the bio
- At 11:34am on June 27, 2008,
Sharon Nichols said… - Hi Nate... Welcome aboard! Very nice intro. :o)
Blessings,
Sharon Marie
- At 8:39am on June 27, 2008,
Nate said…
- Howdy Jason and Jean-Pierre! Thanks for the welcome!
- At 10:08pm on June 26, 2008,
Jean-Pierre said… - Yo fulfilledhope guy! Welcome
- At 12:42pm on June 26, 2008,
Jason Bradfield said… - Thanks for the email Nate. You should share that here. And welcome to the site! ( :
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